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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 3:42:54 GMT -8
Pretty sure I already said this before so it's a bit irksome that I have to say it again: this is the One format where I would rather we wait a bit before we start voting all willy nilly. We're playing vamps not regular maf. Never mind that the GM themself gave us a warning to think twice before we start inspecting from the get go - you honestly didn't think they said so for a reason?
If you won't listen to me then let's hear what everyone else has to say about gambling between 6 (six!!!) people to choose out of instead of waiting another round or so to narrow down the pool to a safer number. By tomorrow we may see a couple more successful meetings, and if a conversion happens then we can further eliminate successful daters from the potential Headliner pool. It doesn't take much to be patient.
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Post by arcania on Sept 19, 2023 3:47:02 GMT -8
Hmmm I vaguely remember some people say they’ll probably vote later but
If everyone wants to just sleep I’m going to go with majority. Personally I would still like to vote, but there’s no point in doing so if the majority doesn’t want to
Sorry, I probably missed you saying that admits evegything. My brain is not registering textwalls very well today
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Post by Ariyeli on Sept 19, 2023 4:58:53 GMT -8
It's like. Slightly less easy to trick than just Saying Names Of Who You Dated/Tried Dating from what I've thought of, and gives the Headliner less potential to work with if they only know of the street names people went to (and only know what streets a Handful of people went to, as opposed to just Everybody), as in order for that to be Useful to them, they would have to actually snoop around to find that street for themselves to make the connection of what that means. edit: Especially because there's more than one way for other Townspeople to be able to corroborate street names from what I've gathered, so that helps in keeping the Headliner in the dark while still guiding Town, yanno? Oh ic. Thank you!
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Post by beex on Sept 19, 2023 7:14:26 GMT -8
Steex has, since their like 2nd post, been consistently urging caution and patience this game, and did specifically mention holding off on voting until odds were better--which in general I would find to be sort of un-Steex-like, but they do have a point that this is Not Your Standard Maf and that what works there could prove disastrous here.
We have 9 players; one is Headliner, and 3 are more-or-less cleared at this specific moment in time. That puts the odds of hitting vamp to 1:5. We know we have at Least one power role that could really get the shaft if we misvote (bc don't forget, the number of vamps will, if we don't nail it, Probably keep growing, and they'll have all the time in the world to take out the Goth, or whoever else, cause they can't be protected All The Time, so it's not as simple as Oh Well Just Protect The Person Who Gets Outed! Duh! bc the vamps would be. buffoons to go for that person Right Away when they could simply wait and do so when they're less likely to be protected) but there are Probably More Than That, I'd Guess.
Arca, are you confident enough to wager on a 17% chance, or thereabouts, to hit the vamp? This new gung-ho attitude from you is an interesting turn-about, but I'm not sure if you're just not really picking up what Steex (& co.) are putting down, or if you're playing an angle. We already Know we're going to have a Judgement of Solomon situation with Quil tomorrow, so for my part I'd kind of rather Not serve the Headliner another townie on a silver platter, but if we want to vote then we'd all better start talkin'
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Post by Chrysuberths on Sept 19, 2023 8:03:18 GMT -8
@.aria and @.insotheuber, I'm Curious. What was the name of the street you went to Last Night, if you were given this information?(I only want the Street's Name and nothing more, and I just want to hear this from you two right now) Casket Ave I just woke up and am rereading the thread, but my current thoughts on what I've read is that I definitely misunderstood what arca was trying to say re outing goth v outing headline, and along with what I'm getting out of their posts so far, I am leaning more towards them being town today. I do think they're being a bit aggressive, but they already brought up the fact that they'd be a single maf earlier and maybe I'm just a very nervous bean but I wouldn't personally put this big of a spotlight on myself day 1 after a failed conversion. I do have to agree with steex (and I think bee is also endorsing this? I don't wanna put words in your mouth though) and say we should probably hold off on voting. While I personally have a few people I'm looking at, the potentially massive reveal of info isn't something I'm particularly keen on giving up first day.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 8:37:31 GMT -8
I will add that on top of the 3 more-or-less cleared of being Headliner names, I'm tentatively adding Uber to the mix. In addition I feel like Bee is, for now, squarely town. The rest I'm unsure about; Arca is 50/50 (idk if Headliner would put this much attention on themself so early on), 3p I have minimal reads on, and Aria hasn't supplied much personal thought beyond sounding off from others (for now I'll attribute this to being busy irl, but if it continues we can examine her further).
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Post by arcania on Sept 19, 2023 8:40:59 GMT -8
I might sound a bit aggressive because I’ve been working the whole day and when I’m in work mode I like to get straight to the point, no waffling.
I just want to do sth instead of sitting around. Because I feel like we’ll have to wait for a long time before stuff like mafia kills happen and we feel safe enough to vote or whatever, unless we keep sharing dates every day to narrow down to the headliner. But by then the headliner might have converted someone, our power roles will get exposed through the dating patterns, and I feel like it’ll bring us to a worse game state.
Hypothetically we sleep today. Conversion happens. We vote quill for safety. They didn’t get converted. Then what? We would have accomplished basically nothing other than be -1 town +1 mafia.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 8:51:28 GMT -8
The thing is, and this is also the other thing that has been clarified by the GM, if we inspect today and land on a townie, there's no guarantee that this person will remain townie anyway. All you do is create a false conception that someone is and will remain safe while putting pressure on the Goth to choose between protection targets. If we vote to inspect, I'd rather we do it with intent to unmask a vampire rather than to narrow down the townie pool.
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Post by arcania on Sept 19, 2023 9:09:22 GMT -8
I’m not saying we vote to narrow down the pool. We vote for someone we think is a vampire, obviously.
Genuinely want to know — what extra info will we have tmr compared to today? Other than dates. Assuming conversion does work this time.
There’s no garuntee they stay town. But it’ll be garunteed that they’re not headliner. No one is saying everyone who is voted and flips town js going to stay town forever.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 19, 2023 9:13:17 GMT -8
I might sound a bit aggressive because I’ve been working the whole day and when I’m in work mode I like to get straight to the point, no waffling. I just want to do sth instead of sitting around. Because I feel like we’ll have to wait for a long time before stuff like mafia kills happen and we feel safe enough to vote or whatever, unless we keep sharing dates every day to narrow down to the headliner. But by then the headliner might have converted someone, our power roles will get exposed through the dating patterns, and I feel like it’ll bring us to a worse game state. Hypothetically we sleep today. Conversion happens. We vote quill for safety. They didn’t get converted. Then what? We would have accomplished basically nothing other than be -1 town +1 mafia. I mean, we wouldn't necessarily have to vote me 'for safety', and accomplishing basically nothing is mostly only a concern/risk if people just cast votes for me D2 without doing Anything Else At All, the way I see it – as I consider discussion itself to be Productive/Doing Something, even if it doesn't directly provide a numbers benefit to Town. Discussion gives more meat to chew on with regards to who is saying what and all, and that can help big time in narrowing down a suspect pool even Without harder evidence being revealed.
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Post by arcania on Sept 19, 2023 9:18:18 GMT -8
There’s also the thing where I think the headliner will not want a vote to happen if it’s possible. Because it closes in on them/they could even be voted out. I don’t like the idea of playing to mafias wish.
Gonna go to bed, sorry if I sounded too harsh today.
If the extra info/stuff gained from tmr is discussion — said discussion could have been done literally today if we all just moved on from the be cautious talk 9 hours ago. Well. Good night.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 9:32:45 GMT -8
Like I've said, if a conversion is announced tomorrow followed by player reports of successful dates, it will par down the Headliner pool further. The same logic that applied to today will also apply tomorrow, that is, if you dated then you couldn't have converted someone.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 9:42:54 GMT -8
And like, look. Technically there is a completely logical and tactical way to play this.
Theoretically, if everyone gets publicly assigned to consistent dating pairs (with one dutifully staying on the sidelines), followed by a report the next morning on whether or not their date was successful, we'll easily find the Headliner after any one of these things happen: 1) a kill or conversion is announced while everyone's dates went off, 2) someone's date mysteriously didn't show up, or 3) +2 bonds start giving vampire-adjacent hints.
But I'm willing to bet that nobody wants to play like this. It's no fun. The dating isn't organic anymore, and it goes against the spirit of the game. We're dealing with something completely new, we can afford to take it a little slower while we test the waters.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 10:40:12 GMT -8
I'm probably not gonna be awake for rollover so I'll end my contribution for the day by saying that yes, I would rather we vote in future rounds once the pool has narrowed rather than today, but if you hold a pickaxe to my head and tell me to vote Now I would've chosen between 3p, Arca, and Aria.
To close it off, if you're gonna visit me tonight you better make sure you have a sick ass song ready, otherwise don't even bother coming at all.
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Post by stellamalke on Sept 19, 2023 10:53:34 GMT -8
I think I'm just especially mentally slow right now. So I only finally just got that Mx Spooky Fangs n Wings tried to plant a little kill instead of romancing. I think that's kind of worth discussing why Quil would be a target and who might be wanting to target them. My own running theory is that the Headliner wants/wanted me primarily for my schemes/overall craftiness. My sway on discussion may also be seen as desirable for a Vampire to snag, but because of my own availability coupled with the Standard phase length for this game, I feel like there's better targets than myself for that angle? My schemes however overflow from my brain Constantly – along with various other ideas and connections being made in there – and due to being able to voice these in vampchat, wouldn't be under as strict communication/time restraints when sharing Scheme Ideas and Such. I mean, that definitely tracks because you're one hell of a formidable player and it would be tough to play against a vampire!you.
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