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Post by stellamalke on Sept 19, 2023 11:11:36 GMT -8
Mmkay so I missed A WHOLE LOT and I want to sit down and compile some notes before I make a nice long meaty post but as it is.
I don't know how I feel about Arca right now, which means Arca is probably fine and not the headliner. So like, I wouldn't vote today to examine Arca. And I don't know if I love the strategy of voting to examine Quil tomorrow, either.
I also don't think I love the strategy of revealing dates this early, nor do I love the idea of revealing information related to dates, like streets, because that's still information we're just handing to the headliner.
I do think that I like Steex's idea of everyone having mandatory dating partners tonight, but man, that does take the fun out of the dating game. We should get to choose who we love #lovewins
More to say.
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Post by beex on Sept 19, 2023 12:04:35 GMT -8
I can tell y'all Right Now that I will Not be going along with any assigned dating partners scheme, because that's 100% going against the spirit of this game, and Steex wasn't even suggesting it, because they themself said that it would be no fun and that they didn't want to play that way. Sorry if that ruffles any feathers, but I just want to be very honest about that right off the bat. I think that sharing street names is a good compromise, at least in the early game, bc the Headliner is only One Player who could only go to One Place. They obviously knew where they went, but they wouldn't know any other places, so the streets gives Town and Town Power Roles, collectively, more info than it gives to The One Singular Vamp. As the game progresses and there are More Vamps who can go More Places, this will become less viable, but I don't know what the argument against it here is? It helps Town know & verify things, and keeps a large part of the info still contained. If you dislike this, what is your alternative suggestion? Arca--here's the thing. No amount of talking today (short of everyone detailing Exactly What They Did and again spitting in the face of the spirit of the game,) will be the same as having actual concrete evidence tomorrow in the form of potential blocks, dating, and conversion. Could there be another vamp from conversion? Yes. But first priority is closing in on the Headliner because once we get them, the conversions stop, and then it's just Maf-By-The-Numbers as it usually is. There can never be another Headliner, they're the same from the beginning, so while a former-Townie could be converted to a vampire, they are still cleared of being the Headliner, and that's why having the information is important. I disagree entirely that the Headliner would, as a tactic, want to squeak by without a vote--the more information they have the better for them, so anything that splits Town or distracts blockers would be great, and that's exactly what a vote reveal would give them. I'm not going to belabor this point any further bc honestly, I think that Steex more than covered it, but I don't see taking a wild swing at a 17% chance of nabbing Headliner d1 is worth the 83% chance of exposing a town power role, or at the very least, introducing a tasty new target for the vamps. Unless someone can provide a compelling reason to even those odds, I am against voting today. Ariyeli, 3ptali, u two have been v quiet, any hot takes/thoughts/observations to share with the class?
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Post by Ariyeli on Sept 19, 2023 12:35:15 GMT -8
Aria, 3ptych, u two have been v quiet, any hot takes/thoughts/observations to share with the class? Well…tbh I don’t have super a lot? Other than nodding my head at what you and Stox have been saying the past few pages. Stuff IRL has been kinda stressful the past few days, so I’ve mostly been observing, collecting data, trying to keep my brain from sieve’ing, etc. I’ve noticed a couple little things, but they’re really just observations without conclusions so I’m not sure if they’d do anything more than muddle conversation or—worse—give the Headliner material to work with. Which is another reason I’ve been kinda quiet, tbh. It seems to me that rn we basically only have information that gives us minimal aid while revealing important info to the Headliner. And that’s kind of the crux of the conversation rn, isn’t it? It all boils down to “What, if anything, can we reveal that will help us without helping the headliner?” The only thing I can think of atm is Quil’s street name suggestion, but even that feels a little thin ice to me? I don’t think this is what he was suggesting, but I imagine if anyone besides me and Uber revealed our Street Visits, then it’d basically become a race for town to match streets to people before the Headliner can. Maybe I’m a bit paranoid lol So my process atm is “Observe, Try not to stress too much, Try and Puzzle out what info is Safe and what Isn’t.”
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Post by Otisander on Sept 19, 2023 14:27:32 GMT -8
Yeah, the risks of Multiple People revealing the street names is why I specifically only asked the two of you as opposed to making it a general question like I did when I asked if anyone felt they recieved flavor hinting towards being Lucky In Love or not.
And it's something that poses greatest effect Now, when the only possible streets the Headliner could know are Their Own and Mine. And from there, things could be checked further if deemed necessary by Whoever Lives On Whatever-Street by them going to return the visit Tonight just to see if that'll boost their odds of a successful Date, or maybe someone else will go just to make sure the player in question didn't just say their own street's name.
It's still not a super large amount of info, nor anything built Extra Solid (like I said, it's only Slightly less easy to trick than just Saying a Player's Name), but it is at least Something that has the potential to lead somewhere without it being too unfun to contend with.
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Post by beex on Sept 19, 2023 15:26:59 GMT -8
Rollover is coming up on us and I'd rather we make a conscious decision rather than just whoopsie into it: do we intend to abstain from voting today, or does anyone want to make a case for it?
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Post by terucarus on Sept 19, 2023 15:38:41 GMT -8
i....was ready for either Trip or Arca, but a lot of good points have been made about Not doing that.
so, i'm honestly not sure
i think i'm okay with abstaining for today, but i also have a lot of reservations about it. we can't misslynch, so it really doesn't hurt to vote, but if we reveal a power role, that gives the Vamp someone to convert or kill tonight. or the next night if our Goth is lucky again.
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Post by Ariyeli on Sept 19, 2023 15:44:02 GMT -8
I’m leaning towards Not Voting. I think Bee and Stox made some pretty good points about not voting today. It makes me a bit nervous, but the idea of voting the wrong person and potentially exposing a power role so early makes me even more nervous.
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 19, 2023 16:55:31 GMT -8
(work chewed me up & spit me back out a few hours late, sorry yall)
there were,,, a lot of pages between my last post and now, and while i went thru them all, i might not remember everything. i hesitate to vote someone today bc there's honestly a high chance of hitting a power role, that could only be saved from a conversion and/or kill exactly one (1) time. like. what happens if we reveal the goth or metalhead? sure, they can save themselves for one night. but then we lose our - in this game - strongest role(s).
it feels counter intuitive, but i think we should abstain from a vote today. quil is a 50/50 on whether the headliner will take the guaranteed conversion (since goth can't protect again) & then have us lynch it tomorrow, or whether hl will wait to convert quil until later so it isn't as obvious a vote. or there could be a kill instead, who tf knows.
i feel like since n1 started w/ a conversion that hl is prob gonna play a numbers game rather than kill everyone? but it's only been 1 night & no established pattern yet
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 19, 2023 16:58:53 GMT -8
wrt flavor, i think we can safely reveal more flavor in general? not like. "i visited x and abc happened," but "person i visited un-/successfully had x on their windows" or something similar to that?
that way the person who was visited could be sure their visitor was Not headliner, and there's info on thread for future, even/especially if someone gets converted later.
edit: to add, since i should put my money where my mouth is - i tried to date someone who was out, on casket ave. my reasoning for why this must have been the correct person's apartment was decals on a window, which. smh not the most logical explanation. i then made spooky theremin noises for a few minutes to weird out their neighbors, then left.
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Post by arcania on Sept 19, 2023 18:42:27 GMT -8
Ehh. It’s really funny because everyone is telling me we can’t vote and stuff because it will expose people. But steexs’ plan (while admittedly do work and unfun) will actually also expose power roles.
That’s why I was against sharing dates beyond d1. We all share it tmr, goth/all other power roles who moved instant exposed.
And if we then try to hunt in that group, it’s very likely it’ll end in a claim. As long as one power role claim, the other ones can pretty much be guessed accordingly.
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Post by terucarus on Sept 19, 2023 18:50:13 GMT -8
its less that it will expose people and more that it will potentially expose people sooner. and we likely only have 1 Goth on our side.
i vote to abstain
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Post by Otisander on Sept 19, 2023 19:04:39 GMT -8
I also vote to abstain.
I think Today was still fairly productive for what it's worth, and I feel like Tomorrow should yield us some more info to go off of too, depending on how Tonight pans out.
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Post by eurby on Sept 19, 2023 19:20:10 GMT -8
CURRENT VOTES:to abstain: terucarus , Otisander 5 votes are required for a majority.APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR BEFORE ROLLOVER
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Post by jijeex on Sept 19, 2023 19:21:06 GMT -8
Ehh. It’s really funny because everyone is telling me we can’t vote and stuff because it will expose people. But steexs’ plan (while admittedly do work and unfun) will actually also expose power roles. That's also another reason why I don't want to do it lol. We already agreed across many games that mass reveals, while effective, make the game feel bad. My point is that what will win us the game isn't necessarily what's right to do, and doubly so in the case of this game which is the first of its kind. Anyway whoop turns out I'm up in time for rollover so I vote to abstain.
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 19, 2023 19:47:55 GMT -8
i vote to abstain
i don't think a night report on its own is gonna out a power role tho? "i tried to date and failed" is a catch all statement that any power role can use 🤷♂️
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