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Post by jijeex on Sept 18, 2023 20:44:10 GMT -8
Also Steex this is a weird 180 from you compared to last game where you were 100000% Leading The Charge with finding topics of discussion when we were doing the weenie not wanting to talk thing that we're doing right now, seems ooc to me for u to throw up ur hands and go "Welp Nothing More To Be Done, So Anyway" Ok maybe I don't want to be on the driver's seat this time and I just want to do the thing I never got to do back then, how's that. And like, if what you wanted was more info about my night, I already said what I said? My date was unsuccessful. I would like that to not be the case tonight. That's my primary priority.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 18, 2023 21:03:55 GMT -8
Also are we just not gonna talk about how if Quil's Goth save is true then he's more or less fucked tonight (unless we have two?? Goths???) since there ain't no way the Headliner won't just try again.
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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 21:06:41 GMT -8
pretty sure that was implied, but would the headliner do that knowing we could just axe quil tomorrow? or would they go for an unknown?
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Post by jijeex on Sept 18, 2023 21:11:45 GMT -8
There's a slight dilemma here bc if they're smart they would ideally convert someone else that isn't Quil. They can take advantage of town inspecting Quil tomorrow suspecting that he's the logical solution for a conversion but all that would end up happening is Quil's role getting exposed. The more I think about it the more likely that is since unlike our usual games, Headliner is stuck at a whole one (1) person in their team until they successfully convert, and risking a high profile conversion like Quil can be a waste when town is aware and ready to vote.
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Post by arcania on Sept 18, 2023 21:18:22 GMT -8
Gonna take me a while because ny brain is struggling a bit to focus on all the text walls terucarus I don’t understand your first part of concern about me. I think you misunderstood my post. I offered a suggestion on what to do. The part you quoted was me evaluating the downsides of my suggestion. Which, to me, was possibly outing the goth because we know FOR SURE that the goth was NOT dating. Aka they will be in the “No successful date pile”. Imagine if 6 of us have successful dates. This leaves like 4 ppl uncleared. The headliner has a very high chance of guessing who is goth. My counter point to this risk is — it also highly puts the headliner. The headliner will also be in these 4 ppl. We can then proceed to vote in this group. The investigative/vig can only target this group. Because we KNOW the headliner is here. Point me to what’s the problem with this? The entire point of my suggestion was to out the headliner through datesAbout being 99% sure it was conversion — tell me that you wouldn’t choose conversion if you’re the headliner. I already stated in that post (or the following post). Dating is basically useless , and risks just ending with the fastest game in history. Killing is also useless compared to conversion. Strength in numbers. I don’t see why headliner will choose anything else.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 18, 2023 21:22:52 GMT -8
小妹啊, I think what Teru meant was that your strat, while sound in theory, doesn't work in practice because realistically only one or two pairs had a successful date last night. The resulting pool is too big to shoot into for it to be worth the gamble. Also, any investigation we do on someone will be publicly revealed. The vote is on thread, we don't have a detective role.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 18, 2023 21:30:52 GMT -8
Also are we just not gonna talk about how if Quil's Goth save is true then he's more or less fucked tonight (unless we have two?? Goths???) since there ain't no way the Headliner won't just try again. Yeah, this is why I tried being subtler about it at first and only came forward to say it outright because talk went to "what if Headliner just Dated N1?" and your post talking about how Until Blocks Or Lack Thereof Were Confirmed we had nothing to go off of, which holds great potential for misdirecting Town's sussing and discussing for the Day. I'd wager that no one's really talking about it because it simply isn't Relevant for Today's Inspection/Finding The Headliner at all? Like, it's already a given that I'm a free Convert Tonight – especially so with GM confirmation that the Headliner is allowed to attempt a Conversion without the cooldown if they failed to do so the previous Night. But the only thing that can really be done by Y'all about it is Wait, and the only thing that I can do is bank on the Headliner doing literally anything else and then trying to convince Y'all of that Tomorrow.
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Post by arcania on Sept 18, 2023 21:41:06 GMT -8
There's a slight dilemma here bc if they're smart they would ideally convert someone else that isn't Quil. They can take advantage of town inspecting Quil tomorrow suspecting that he's the logical solution for a conversion but all that would end up happening is Quil's role getting exposed. The more I think about it the more likely that is since unlike our usual games, Headliner is stuck at a whole one (1) person in their team until they successfully convert, and risking a high profile conversion like Quil can be a waste when town is aware and ready to vote. This honestly drives down to reverse psychology. Imo I will just take ut all at level 1 and vote quill tmr for safety. But I don’t think this should be a topic of concern right now. We should focus on who to vote today first
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Post by arcania on Sept 18, 2023 21:43:07 GMT -8
小妹啊, I think what Teru meant was that your strat, while sound in theory, doesn't work in practice because realistically only one or two pairs had a successful date last night. The resulting pool is too big to shoot into for it to be worth the gamble. Also, any investigation we do on someone will be publicly revealed. The vote is on thread, we don't have a detective role. If there’s any better start i am very fine with doing it. Even if only one or two pairs were successful, it still helps narrows down the pool, no? Honestly im fine with any method to close in on the headliner right now.
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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 21:54:47 GMT -8
idk about anyone else, but i'm still 50/50 torn on arca and trip. theyre both bringing up great points and driving conversation well, but with how quick arca jumped in saying Quil was failed converted, that's a 50/50 chance right there for me. some insider knowledge, if u will.
and trip, like i said, i just got bad juju from and like, I Have Nothing To Back That Up With. i have poured over this thread at least 3 times -- my notes doc is 10 pages now and this thread is only at 6 wtf -- and i have nothing concrete for why i feel so anti-Trip. im sorry, bud. i hate pointing fingers w/o proof, but i'm gonna do it anyway
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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 21:55:36 GMT -8
with that said, im heading to bed and will probably drop a vote in the AM.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 18, 2023 21:58:37 GMT -8
I'll keep susses to myself for now since I have nothing to back them up with beyond Vibes or Reaching, but I'm semi-confident that Teru is at least not the Headliner. They came out with gut susses and the only time they don't have any gut susses is when they're maf lmao.
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Post by arcania on Sept 18, 2023 22:05:04 GMT -8
See the thing is: my strat is likely going to happen even if we actively choose not to.
Let’s run through an alternate scenario where we just do our normal scumhunting: We hunt in everyone except for Quill, the confirmed town. We talk and discuss and find someone suspicious. They become vote target. To save themselves + town from a wrong eliminate, the target yells that they’ve been dating last night. Someone backs them up and says yes, they’ve been dating tgt last night. Will you still vote for them?
If you wouldn’t, then you’re already half using my strat. Except that my strat will weed out the dates BEFORE we start normal scumhunting. This avoids last minutes “wait I dated” claims. This will save us time and give us time to actually focus on those that can potentially be headliner. Which, does NOT include people who dated.
We’ve already applied for extension, we should spend remaining time focusing on who to vote instead of other stuff.
And just saying, I FALL INTO THE “NO SUCCESSFUL DATE” GROUP last night. So I myself know what it means if we go with ky strat, and am fully prepared to battle it out to not be todays vote.
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Post by arcania on Sept 18, 2023 22:11:23 GMT -8
Also sincerely, if I were headliner and failed a conversion —> I AM THE ONLY MAFIA why would I admit that a conversion happened and failed BEFORE my apparent target walked in and claimed that?? what benefit will it bring me?
It will be obvious too much info, it will draw attention to myself, people will literally go “wait how do you know” just like now. The last thing I need, basically. Because if I get voted the game will literally be over and we’d lose.
you can argue that this is reverse psychology, by doing this I was hoping that people will think “this is too obvious to be mafia”. No. This is too risky, when I can just sit back and lurk in the shadows. Headliner right now wants as little attention as possible, so they survive to night.
Im not saying Teru is scummy, because this is drawing a lot of attention to themselves that could potentially backfire if I or Trip fight back. But anyone who jumps on saying “oh yeah Arca is sus for that” is suspicious to me. Mafia right now will push for any wrong elims, which means sheeping any reads right now.
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Post by arcania on Sept 18, 2023 22:15:32 GMT -8
If anyone wants me to run through why I was very certain it was conversion, I can always break it down and explain it.
Btw, before I posted, everyone was lost going “oh what if headliner dates??” “Oh what if doctor save?” “Oh idk idk : /“ Which, to me, looks like everyone is about to get horribly sidetracked and is circling. I wanted to come in and assert that I strongly believed in a conversion that failed. Not the other two.
And technically, I put 99% because there’s also a very small but basically improbably 1% chance that mafia chose to do something else.
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