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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 13:09:59 GMT -8
just jumping in real quick to say: i see u bee, i see what you're puttin down!!! i'm a big dum dum who did not read between the lines of what Quil was puttin down and thats why i kept going down the rabbit of hole of "i think vamp dated". its been 2 pages since i last posted and that was BEFORE quil dropped the very obvious bomb and im working on a bigger post to address some people directly bc I Have Some Questions of my own
i have a big ole document with a bunch of notes and i'm currently side-eyeing two different people but i wanna finish gettin all my thoughts and all these posts organized in my head before i start pointing fingers.
also, with that said, i, for one, need more time to sit down and Do That. so i'm going to cast my vote to extend the day phase if we can
edit) unfortuantely, my lunchbreak is now over so i must return to the coal mines and i should be able to get back and finish my thoughts n stuff in about 4/4.5 hours.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 18, 2023 13:15:05 GMT -8
Seconding an extension, here. I will have my own Hour Of Lunch in another hour or so, and then have under two hours of free time Literally Right Before The Day Phase Ends (ends at 12AM my time, so I'll have from like 10:30PMish until then), so if Document Drops will happen then I will need time to Peep them and all
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Post by stellamalke on Sept 18, 2023 13:17:03 GMT -8
I think I'm just especially mentally slow right now.
So I only finally just got that Mx Spooky Fangs n Wings tried to plant a little kill instead of romancing.
I think that's kind of worth discussing why Quil would be a target and who might be wanting to target them.
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Post by eurby on Sept 18, 2023 13:20:27 GMT -8
- motion to extend the day phase has passed - You have been granted an additional 24 hours from the original deadline. The day phase is now set to expire Tuesday, 9/19, 9PM PST.
Extension periods are limited to 24 hours. Additional extensions may be granted or denied at the discretion of the GMs.
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Post by beex on Sept 18, 2023 14:28:30 GMT -8
I think I'm just especially mentally slow right now. So I only finally just got that Mx Spooky Fangs n Wings tried to plant a little kill instead of romancing. I think that's kind of worth discussing why Quil would be a target and who might be wanting to target them. Just for clarity's sake: the Headliner tried to Convert Quil, not kill him.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 18, 2023 14:54:46 GMT -8
I think I'm just especially mentally slow right now. So I only finally just got that Mx Spooky Fangs n Wings tried to plant a little kill instead of romancing. I think that's kind of worth discussing why Quil would be a target and who might be wanting to target them. My own running theory is that the Headliner wants/wanted me primarily for my schemes/overall craftiness. My sway on discussion may also be seen as desirable for a Vampire to snag, but because of my own availability coupled with the Standard phase length for this game, I feel like there's better targets than myself for that angle? My schemes however overflow from my brain Constantly – along with various other ideas and connections being made in there – and due to being able to voice these in vampchat, wouldn't be under as strict communication/time restraints when sharing Scheme Ideas and Such.
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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 16:36:23 GMT -8
ok, so i have a lot of Big Thoughts and its gonna take me a bit to get through all of them. Let me start here, with the two people i am currently reading as The Most Sus of Everyone Arca and Trip Only problem I can think of is that if the majority had successful dates, then it will out the goth. But then reverse wise, it will also out the headliner. Iirc if headliner dies no more conversions happen (? Need to check), so by then goth isn’t needed. firstly, Arca, the whole point of this game is to literally find the Headliner before they attack again–whether that attack is convert or kill is moot. We find the Headliner TODAY, holy shit that would be the fastest game weve ever had–but knowing our track record, not gonna happen. so, i have no idea if you’re being purposefully obtuse here and trying to deflect or if you really forgot the point of the game, but i’m looking hard sideways at u rn also your very first post of this day phase was a, and i’m not exactly quoting here, “99% sure” it was a conversion fail. Now, i know i’m thick as sand and dumb as dirt, and it took quil actually spitting it out for me to get what it was puttin down before, but you got it? that fast? im not saying youre loosely role-claiming but i am saying that’s a bit far fetched for Post Numero Uno. which brings me to Trip quil u rite, it does specifically say after conversion (implying since n1 conversion failed that there's gonna be a 2nd chance to try) also i was trying to Not mention why i was looking at conversion only b/c of your post but sbdhdhdjcj did not work i see you, my friend, are either being extremely sneaky or—well, no. you’re being extremely sneaky no matter what. this post, right here, has given me the heebie jeebies and i cannot point at any one thing for why it is. youre sayin all the right things to keep discussion moving and youre feelin awful Town!Trip, but i’m not disregarding my gut. you also brought up another almost weird clarifying question with Eure? Where precedence hadn’t been for it before? like, WHY do we need to know if the Metalhead, if we have one, would need to know if they keep their night kill if a conversion happens??? thats such a niche case scenario and it came up out of the blue? which Honestly makes me think youre trying to plant seeds of “oh look at me, i’m the metalhead, teehee~” when you could be something far more sinister and, before anyone goes, “ooo, teru, youre coming out the gate swinging, how do we know we can trust you?” my wonderful night was spent with a very successful date. So There.
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 18, 2023 17:56:48 GMT -8
teru i think you might be misinterpreting both the posts of mine you're referencing?
"WHY do we need to know if the Metalhead, if we have one, would need to know if they keep their night kill if a conversion happens" not what i asked))
if headhunter converts a person and the metalhead chooses to kill that same person, does the conversion resolve first? that's me asking if the metalhead would kill the converted vampire (ie the headliner visits first before the metalhead) or if the metalhead would attempt to kill a townie (aka the metalhead visits first, which is more of a danger for them, bc losing their kill ability for the rest of the game is no bueno). i don't have anyone to throw pepes at & get feedback, so throwing out shit into the thread and getting gm responses publicly so no info gets lost in case it winds up useful (something i do anyway?) is what i got. that's nowhere near a claim, or an attempt to set up a future claim. i wouldn't be so blatant doing that anyway <_<
not sure how that post you quoted directly is sneaky either, so you got me there? pls explain how that's sneaky / sus
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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 18:48:11 GMT -8
im gonna ask you to re-read my post where i said "i have no idea why this is giving me squicky feels but it is giving me squicky feels and i am trusting my gut". so. NO i cannot explain. i wish i could!
as for the headhunter Metalhead bit, did i miss putting in the bit where it came out of no where??? bc that came out of nowhere and THATS what struck me as weird.
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 18, 2023 19:24:39 GMT -8
did you mean the headliner, or the part where i accidentally said headhunter inst of headliner & corrected it in a later post?
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Post by Otisander on Sept 18, 2023 19:28:28 GMT -8
I mean, I didn't think it came out of nowhere, as there was mention of what sort of thread behavior/post content might make someone more likely to be Converted by the Headliner beforehand, and knowing if a Metalhead could act as something of a knock-off Goth in the sense of Targets A Player To Prevent The Coven From Growing Bigger could be worth thinking about as either a potential safety of net of sorts if we do lose our Goth, or make the Goth's own job a little easier as even if an 'obvious' convertible player is unable to be protected by the Goth for any reason, the Headliner might be dissuaded from actually following through on it in the hopes that a Metalhead would kill that player "prematurely" and lose their nightkill while the Headliner looks elsewhere for a target. Is Metalhead purposefully killing someone they Think might be Converted that Night a risky gambit? Most definitely, but it could still be beneficial to Town if we at least make the option known and keep it as a Possibility that may happen.
Re: Arca's quick certainty that a conversion attempt failed I mean, there's a chance that your own belief that the Headliner went out Dating was biased based upon both your own choice to date and your success in Dating, especially as there was more to support the Headliner trying & failing at a conversion than just Me Being Goth Saved Successfully – as for the Headliner, Dating could wait until their upgrade Night/N2 (in theory) as I mentioned in my first posts, and Arca elaborated further in their first post of how if the Headliner didn't at least try to convert somebody N1, the game had a chance of ending Today. Is it a slim chance? Sure, but a chance nonetheless.
That all said, unless somebody chimes in with suspicions of having their dating be affected by the Lucky In Love condition or something to that affect, I say that we can trust in Teru's Towniness for the time being. Don't quite see eye-to-eye on those susses*, but that isn't itself cause for suspicion in my eyes. *edit: in that I'm trusting of Trip and more neutral towards Arca at the moment
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Post by Chrysuberths on Sept 18, 2023 19:29:40 GMT -8
I am off of work and back home, glad to see we got an extension so here are some more thoughts (please don't ninja me I'll cry) I'm also unsure about how I feel trip may be faction wise as well teru, but I think personally it's more likely that he's not vamp right now. To me none of the posts seem to be setting up anything, but I also completely understand gut feelings. More on how I feel about people, I'm feeling 100% certain that until we get a conversion that Quil is town. I feel pretty good about Bee, Steex and you. Steex I completely believe was lonely because I also was lonely last night as well, and similar thoughts for bee. As for you teru, I just get good vibes if that makes any sense? Like nothing you've done strikes me as a vamp trying to fit in, and for day one that's all I personally need. I'm a little iffy on aria, most of her posts have been circling back to questions about what we can share with dating + flavor, and while I kinda get the sentiment it just feels a little off to me? But I'm not putting her on the chopping block quite yet. Taylor I'm completely neutral on for better or for worse, you had a quiet night and not much else. Which is fair, but it just isn't much to go off of. Arca I'm eh on. At first it just seemed like they didn't have much to add, and their first post where they agreed with Quil before Quil spelled out the night actions out in big bold letters for us common folk just strikes me as arca being one of the few who actually understood what was being put down. But with their post on what we should share dating wise, especially with the part that, at least to me (and despite it being my first and only language, I suck at english so I could just be completely off the mark) it seemed like you might have been implying that the headliner outing themselves because of lack of successful dates. It could have been that you meant that it was the opposite of a problem, but I'm not sure. You've been quiet which like Taylor, makes it a little hard for me to begin pinning you down (I wrote this all on mobile if the formatting is shit please forgive me) Edit: Quil why nothing you've added changes my thoughts, so I don't think it's worth another post, hence this edit
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Post by terucarus on Sept 18, 2023 19:31:28 GMT -8
did you mean the headliner, or the part where i accidentally said headhunter inst of headliner & corrected it in a later post? nope, sorry, that was a typo on my part. i meant the metalhead.
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 18, 2023 20:12:56 GMT -8
to be fair, there are a lot of roles with "head" in the name
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Post by Otisander on Sept 18, 2023 20:19:26 GMT -8
Also also, re: Arca's proposal about revealing dates risking outing the Goth in addition to the Headliner, I don't? See where y'all are coming from with saying that Arca isn't trying to find the Headliner or saying that outing the Headliner is bad?
I disagree with the method they offered because it's effectiveness isn't reliable enough to actually Guarantee that the Headliner is found at all, thus making its risk of jeopardizing the Goth as well as a potential Night Nurse or other role simply Not Worth It in my eyes. Additionally, spilling All our deets D1 or Any Day will make things harder to believably verify as the game goes on, so additional Not Really Worth It points there.
Arca said that the plan outing/jeopardizing the Goth would be bad, but that on the Reverse (so the opposite of bad), it would out the Headliner as well. (We likely wouldn't be able to confirm the difference between the two until one got Inspected, so that's 50/50 potential if 'majority had successful dates' is taken to mean that Everyone but Goth and Headliner went out Dating N1 edit: noteworthy because that is the best possible odds this plan could yield even if it was 100% foolproof)
Like if anything, I'm getting the vibe that they're really chomping at the bit to find the Headliner and Prioritizing finding the Headliner so as to prevent the Coven from being able to Convert as soon as possible (although a Date With Death event could still be used to trigger a conversion, without a Headliner to upgrade the newly-turned Groupie, this strategy is very unreliable and difficult to repeat). Could this also be Headliner tactic to find the Goth sooner while trying to get some brownie points along the way? Sure, but I don't get any tangible vibe this way or that right now.
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