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Post by Otisander on Sept 17, 2023 14:50:58 GMT -8
Alright, being subtler about things hasn't seemed to work because some still seem to be gravitating towards the "Headliner went a-smooching" theory...
Headliner did NOT go smooching Last Night, source: they broke into my apartment and (potentially) broke my Nose by slamming me face first into the floor. Because this action was intervened by the Goth (chased Headliner out in their big black boots, but also the resolution text stated that I was saved from conversion by the Goth), I know that this was a conversion attempt made against Yours Truly.
This is why I said that any Face-To-Face daters would be (for now/Today) clear of being Vampire in my eyes, as even with taking the potential of a player being made Lucky In Love into account, a Face-To-Face date would not be triggered due to the Headliner not choosing to date. They also likely would not be considered a 'failed dater' for Mutual Friend shenanigans either as they simply would not have been a dater for that Night – because you can't fail at what you don't do.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 17, 2023 14:57:16 GMT -8
if a conversion attempt was made, then vamp only has the option to kill or date tonight 🤔 I feel like that's a misunderstanding of the role's mechanics? Headliner cannot Convert two nights in a row, that's true – but they didn't actually Convert anybody for N1 because Goth chased 'em off of me, so I don't think that it would Count? Rules do not say 'cannot Attempt to Convert twice in a row', so I'm assuming that it only applies for if a conversion is Successful then they cannot do it again. ( e: as in until they wait one Night, but given that there cannot be more than one Groupie at a time anyway, the Headliner would need to spend a Night on upgrading after a successful conversion anyway)
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 17, 2023 15:10:12 GMT -8
quil u rite, it does specifically say after conversion (implying since n1 conversion failed that there's gonna be a 2nd chance to try)
also i was trying to Not mention why i was looking at conversion only b/c of your post but sbdhdhdjcj did not work i see
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Post by Chrysuberths on Sept 17, 2023 15:49:52 GMT -8
I'm sorry for rolling up really late, but I am here. The person I went to sing to unfortunately seemed to be having a busy night, and did not respond to my performance.
I'd like to have just a little bit more flavor from you Quil, if you have any. More flavor might be able to help us sniff out who this headliner is
I've been chewing on it all night, and I unfortunately am no closer to narrowing down who would want you on the vamp side the most, I think everyone here has enough reason, you played well last game as doc and I certainly wouldn't want to be against you again, so I'll just put that to the side while I finish rereading the day phase to make sure I haven't missed anything
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Post by Chrysuberths on Sept 17, 2023 16:29:31 GMT -8
re: exposing our own dating shenanigans i think it's safe-ish to detail how your own night went! if you want to. but not to mention who you visited, or flavor that you got. otherwise i wouldn't have thrown mine in there)) I realized I completely read past this and missed it before my first post oops, and while i definitely do agree, if Quil thinks any flavor that has yet to be shared on their part may help later with headliner profiling, I would still like to hear it. But otherwise I do think keeping shared flavor on the lower side is best, unless it helps with a correct lynch or stops a misslynch (I understand that we cannot kill via wrong votes, but we still give up a lot of information when we mess up) It also seems like only really steex and maybe aria have brought this up, but I've been thinking about it all night and idk why but I feel like it's a sentiment that should be held off just a little longer; I personally think it would be jumping the gun a bit to say that if no blocks happened tonight that there are no blockers. If I'm understanding everything pretty well so far, it seems to me the only faction/role/party/whatever who would have wanted to prioritize not dating is the vamps, so it's entirely possible that any blocking roles decided to go the smooch route instead of using their normal night action. It's of course still an option on the table that we didn't get any, but I would like to hope in my heart we have one at least.
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Post by beex on Sept 17, 2023 16:50:18 GMT -8
Unfortunately, the face-to-Floor encounter that I had in my apartment does say Otherwise, and like I said earlier, if the Headliner wanted to get their smooch on, a successful conversion would've been able to be followed up with some Dracula Dating action the next Night anyway, so I don't really see why they wouldn't have made a conversion attempt N1. (Even putting aside my own knowledge (and busted nose) from Last Night) In any case – keeping in mind how people have been reporting their nights – am I correct in reading that you had stayed in Last Night, beex , or is this assumption of mine not correct? Sorry for the ambiguity, I was trying to err on the side of caution wrt to reports bc I am a Big Baby lmao--I went out but did not meet with anyone, just displaced my belongings lol. I was also thinking about the conversion such that an Attempt would still count, but you raise a very good point. eurby is this a thing that u could confirm yea/nay for us? Quil--assuming his report is accurate, which I do not currently have reason to doubt--can for today be removed from Vamp Contention. Because of the Unsuccessful Conversion, we know that we have a Goth. We know there is only the Headliner on vampteam right now. This puts us in sort of a pickle wrt who to...it isn't really 'lynch' here, 'reveal'? Because, from what I can see--and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong--we're much more likely to reveal Town than Vamp, just by the numbers. And no, they wouldn't Die if they were revealed, but I think we're all of like mind that town power roles should ideally maintain secrecy for as long as possible, bc they'd sort of be a Juicy Target otherwise. On the one hand, man, it would be Cool As Hell if we nailed the Headliner right off the bat lmfao, on the other hand, is it more risky to gamble on that than wait? Hmm. It sounds like what we're leaning towards in terms of reporting is say What but not Who, so I wonder if we could get some more info from the 'quiet' and 'lovely' night folx, because as it stands a vote today would be a shot in the dark.
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Post by eurby on Sept 17, 2023 17:56:47 GMT -8
I was also thinking about the conversion such that an Attempt would still count, but you raise a very good point. eurby is this a thing that u could confirm yea/nay for us? this is something that i went back n forth on before the game started! but if you'll notice, the wording in the headliner's role description says they cannot convert twice in a row, not that they may not attempt. for this game at least, we're only counting successful conversions to start the 1-night cooldown. we may try having any attempt begin the cooldown in a future game, if we think this is too powerful. thank u!
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Post by Otisander on Sept 17, 2023 19:54:09 GMT -8
Unfortunately, the face-to-Floor encounter that I had in my apartment does say Otherwise, and like I said earlier, if the Headliner wanted to get their smooch on, a successful conversion would've been able to be followed up with some Dracula Dating action the next Night anyway, so I don't really see why they wouldn't have made a conversion attempt N1. (Even putting aside my own knowledge (and busted nose) from Last Night) In any case – keeping in mind how people have been reporting their nights – am I correct in reading that you had stayed in Last Night, beex , or is this assumption of mine not correct? Sorry for the ambiguity, I was trying to err on the side of caution wrt to reports bc I am a Big Baby lmao-- I went out but did not meet with anyone, just displaced my belongings lol.It sounds like what we're leaning towards in terms of reporting is say What but not Who, so I wonder if we could get some more info from the 'quiet' and 'lovely' night folx, because as it stands a vote today would be a shot in the dark. Alright, that checks out then. I ask partly because the talk of pacing around and knocking over a candelabra felt like a flavor reference of some kind, and I wanted to make sure I was picking up on it correctly given the Circumstances. Like, I could tell that the 'just paced around and knocked my stuff over' type of line was a specific link to Something, but had no clear idea as to what the Something was, just a vague hunch. And to answer Uber's question on if I could give more flavor... No? None of what I got really gives any indication as to who the Headliner is (which is for the Better imo, last thing they need is for Failed conversions to incriminate themself to the Reasonably Clearable Townsperson for the Day), so I don't see a point in sharing any more than what I already have.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 17, 2023 20:27:33 GMT -8
Hm. Actually, does it really matter if we share like, full details of our date? Like, name and all? At first I figured not naming names would protect role townies from being figured out since the Headliner will know they're out and about but technically Everybody can be out and about thanks to dating, even vanillas.
Asking because my attempt last night was Unsuccessful and I wanna date dammit so if anyone's open to an arrangement /wink wonk
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Post by Otisander on Sept 17, 2023 21:12:36 GMT -8
Hm. Actually, does it really matter if we share like, full details of our date? Like, name and all? At first I figured not naming names would protect role townies from being figured out since the Headliner will know they're out and about but technically Everybody can be out and about thanks to dating, even vanillas. Asking because my attempt last night was Unsuccessful and I wanna date dammit so if anyone's open to an arrangement /wink wonk Technically, if naming the players you try visiting becomes the Standard, the Headliner could at the very least eliminate players from being a certain role depending on what patterns show over time – kinda similar to how Taylor recalled having been caught as Mafia for not ever dating successfully and always being out for the Night. Like there's a certain point to where a Vamp could go 'huh, all these people targeted so-and-so over the course of the game, but nobody got to successfully visit them Once?' and then catch onto roles like the Goth or Night Nurse because of that, which is especially important for us to keep in mind because we can Confirm the existence of at least one Goth who needs any/all of the protection that anonymity affords. Plus, while it would technically make it harder for the Headliner to pretend that they tried to visit someone if they had to Name A Person, it also makes it harder for Town's power roles to hide their own actions amidst the dating crowd, as if they guess the Wrong Person to name, they risk falling under fire and having their role revealed. Secondly, while saying who you tried to date one Night may increase the odds of them returning the date the following Night and all, this does telegraph who you are planning on raising your Bond with, which the Headliner could take advantage of by letting the two of you get a few dates on as Townspeople before turning one of you into a Groupie. The following Night, after they've upgraded this Groupie and sent them out into the Night with their role powers, that newly-turned could choose to date their 'regular' partner for better odds of triggering a Date With Death event that could result in a new Groupie for the Coven (and lets the Headliner give a go at getting their own dating game on twice in a row without 'penalty' due to back-to-back upgrading).
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 17, 2023 21:15:24 GMT -8
we might run into a situation where, if x amount of people post abt their successful dates & name the people they were dating, and if the headliner was unable to convert or kill again (for whatever reason), that might narrow down the pool of suspects of who the goth/etc would be? so headliner could try to attack/convert them & get rid of an important role
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 17, 2023 21:16:17 GMT -8
dammit quil lmao
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 17, 2023 21:19:27 GMT -8
"1. SETUP PHASE roadie switches / headhunter lures 2. ACTION PHASE night nurse protects / goth wards / hookup communes / sound tech investigates / stan watches / idol bewitches / dating & bonding (heartthrob dates / wingman assists / mutual friend matchmakes) 3. KILLING PHASE headliner kills or converts OR screamer kills / metalhead kills Vampire faction kills will resolve before Metalhead kills, in order to preserve the Metalhead's one-time kill in the event the same target is chosen. However, if two killing roles target each other (e.g., Screamer and Metalhead), they will both kill each other." ok so question. if headhunter* converts a person and the metalhead chooses to kill that same person, does the conversion resolve first? eurbyedit: typo, meant headliner
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Post by Otisander on Sept 17, 2023 21:25:27 GMT -8
Like it's arguably in Everyone's prerogative right now to say that they had at least given dating a Try, as it's less risky for either the Headliner or the Goth to fakeclaim than Staying Inside (because if a player visited them that Night, they'd be able to be called out on it), and for obvious reasons, neither would want to say that they'd Used A Role Power because neither would want to be outed in that fashion, yanno? (And no one else would be super keen on going that route either)
Flavor I would say is a little less risky, but some parts give me the feeling that they'd be more worthwhile held a little closer and only used when one could really feel the fire under them, just because that is a way that we can make fakeclaiming a date harder if such a thing is attempted to keep active sus off of person, and keep genuine date claims more verifiable – if that makes any sense.
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Post by arcania on Sept 17, 2023 21:35:56 GMT -8
ok hey wait if lynching is not deadly to town, what if we just. Voted. today. once everyone's checked in 👀 edit: reason being, if there's no danger to town & there was no conversion, that means if we hit our vamp today we'd be golden unless yall feel differently, or would rather give vamp time to play/get a feel for the game a lil more? I’d be fine with. I don’t see any harm in that lol
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