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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 20:18:31 GMT -8
Feel free to refer to me by she/her pronouns! Timezone doesn't matter, I'm on basically whenever!! To start with, before subbing into the game I'd skimmed a lot of the posts in the thread, so guessing I have a decent idea of what's going down! Here's a quick readlist based off of a readlist I made while spectating, names in tiers roughly alphabetical: "Mechanically" confirmed townarcania - Me, claimed medium and I know my role pm! Quillip/bee - claimed saved by the goth on nights 1/2 (if one is fake then goth could straight up counterclaim) Teru/stellamalke - both are corroborating each other dating, and with headliner having attacked the previous pair then the dating would have been impossible with just 1 vampire Townreads3ptych - Nothing major in particular, just the amount of solving they've been putting in has felt really towny along with a few minor moments! If I had to pick one thing though, it'd be them putting together information in order to try and clear people like Taylor; at this point on day 2 with 2 failed conversions, the headline does not want even more clears to contend with!!! steex - their very loud broadcasts for someone to visit them mean that going out would have been suicide if someone had visited them while they were off trying to convert someone!!! So likely not the headline, also general vibes feel towny in their approach - strongest townread of this tier!! Top vampire possibilitiesAria - Barely read much of them, and since they're busy IRL that makes them even more difficult to read... but I do think the way they've posted a bit has been very vaguely towny, especially that thought dump they dropped in the thread!! Those thoughts were going nowhere and felt like genuine town thoughts, free of any vampire manipulation! However, they are in this tier because they've got nothing clearing them, and also I don't strongly think the below is a vampire either!! InsoTheUber - I don't entirely understand why they're getting cleared in the thread, though granted I could have missed something in my skimming; please explain? Even though they are different to steex because they did not loudly broadcast that they'd be staying home, and claiming they're home is easy enough, especially when they were one of the last to claim their night on day 1! Also don't really have any read on their posts currently, so shrug! I have more thoughts, just posting to check my formatting!!
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 20:19:46 GMT -8
As it stands, my slot has claimed medium and we need to determine what we're doing! To address what Bee said above about having two paths, personally I think we have a few more options!!! For instance, we all agree we don't want to do clearly unfun things like planning out all the dates each night; that being said, we can still use the vote to town's advantage, which is great because we have vote mechanics that don't necessarily kill the person we vote off!! That means that whoever is voted (barring conversion) could be cleared town, which I think could be best used to target people that you think are town so that they are semi-cleared; arguably, depends on whether or not there is conversion, which is a fair risk!!! While voting someone off if town would reveal their role pm as well, then the thing is... we can do things with that! Personally, given I am confirmed to myself, I'd like to give Aria the chance to be "confirmed" town; that would give them the space to talk tomorrow without fearing suspicion, unless there's conversion of course which is a different matter!! That being said, understandably inspecting Aria (and arguably anyone else) is still a risk, which I would completely understand if people don't want to take!!! In lieu of inspecting Aria, I very strongly would like to suggest inspecting me here!! My slot has already claimed medium, so we don't give the headliner any further information, right? Town loses nothing, town only stands to gain by confirming my role to the rest of town so you all know you can trust my current role!! I also know I'm town, so I won't die and still have the opportunity to date tonight!! In fact, I would argue that if you want to abstain from voting, you should just vote for me instead!!!
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 20:28:41 GMT -8
Yeah sure, I'll abstain since we have a sub in so I retract my vote.In any other situation I would love this early advantage that town has and move to push aggressively, but like. New mode. One (1) single opponent. When's the next time we get to play with the vampires format again? Again, I'm all for playing for wincon, love what the Goth has going on here, but winning and stomping are not the same thing, and only one of them is actually fun. I subbed in specifically because I love the entire concept of this game, so I fully understand what you mean about not wanting to end so soon, especially before I've even gotten to date anyone!!!! That being said, I do think we can utilize the mechanics more!! This vote mechanic, for instance... while I don't know if I'd have claimed here, I do think my slot claiming medium is a very safe thing to do in terms of claiming, because it's not like I'm the goth or anything!!!! Thinking about it further, I think I'd actually rather go for "clearing" myself today through voting me because that would help everyone else as well, not just me! I'd actually suggest that a max of one person should claim per day, if anyone else is thinking of doing so in the future, and that we'd just vote for the person who claims on the same day to confirm it... though I'm guessing that won't happen again any time soon!!
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Post by jijeex on Sept 23, 2023 20:37:30 GMT -8
I would hope that it doesn't happen anytime soon, yes. We can't really enforce how claims happen outside of hardbanning it like we did in the game before this one, but I'm fairly confident everyone else is conscientious enough to only pull it out when necessary.
I was gonna abstain since it felt mean to vote for someone who literally just came in but! If you're alright with it then I am as well. How do we feel about this?
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Post by Otisander on Sept 23, 2023 20:44:45 GMT -8
Okay, with Ara's approval at the notion of us Inspecting them, I am back to being more willing to Inspect her than to Abstain Today.
I chose to consider Uber as more or less clear Today because on D1, they said they went to Casket Ave – something that I pointed out also on D1 (although I did repeat it this Phase iirc), may draw the attention of whoever lived there and lead to them trying to visit Uber N2 in hopes of getting a successful date or other sort of evidence. At the time of Uber's report of staying in and receiving no visitors Today, only Teru had reported a successful date (albeit subtly), whereas Aria, myself and Trip all reported quiet/lonely/boring nights (failed dates to some capacity) without specifying where we went, and while Steex could've been safely assumed to be home, the other players yet to check in would've still been unaccounted for. Thus, Uber fakeclaiming to have stayed in at that time does pose significant enough risk in my eyes to make me less suspicious of them. I can yield that I'm not Fully not-suspicious of them, but that's just how it is for me.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 23, 2023 20:53:48 GMT -8
i'm not gonna name names yet or anything, but is it preferable for a town power role to lie and say they tried to date and failed, or to say they stayed in and didn't go out?one of those is harder to prove (failed to date), but one of those is a hell of a lie (stayed in) if someone then visits that person. and finds they are out. edit: so i don't have 5 posts w/ thoughts in a row idk if i fully trust that med claim, especially since there's no one to communicate with to get info one way or the other /shrug edit2: first part of post & second part of post are unrelated but one becomes more un/likely if the other is true/false I have been Thinking on that one honestly. I'd say that maybe like... maybe they would lie about staying inside as opposed to going out, if only because the Headliner would be most likely to claim that they went out on a Date and failed (as it's also the hardest to Counter & easiest to weasel out of). Thus, a power role might tell a bolder/easier to disprove lie purely for such a thing Not being Headliner behavior (thus like? Potentially weirding out anyone who Could call them out on it into silence or smth??), or they might be more comfortable with telling bolder lies on account of having more resources to pull from for the sake of clearing (could reference flavor only their role would know perhaps? Maybe they believe that even if they get taken up to Inspection things would still work out somehow for Town?).
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 21:06:22 GMT -8
It's not mean when you're not killing me anyway, no worries!!!! (For the record though, personally I'm okay with claims, just that we do have to be careful to not narrow down the goth's existence, so... yeah, probably not soon!!) Now that I've looked up how to vote, my vote is on myself currently!!! Quill, do you mean to say that Uber had reported staying in with no visitors on day 2 specifically? If so, I'm getting my days confused; they did check in last on day 1, I believe!! Last but most importantly, I have decided my instrument will be the cymbals!!! Clanging hype!!!!!
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Post by Otisander on Sept 23, 2023 21:12:55 GMT -8
It's not mean when you're not killing me anyway, no worries!!!! (For the record though, personally I'm okay with claims, just that we do have to be careful to not narrow down the goth's existence, so... yeah, probably not soon!!) Now that I've looked up how to vote, my vote is on myself currently!!! Quill, do you mean to say that Uber had reported staying in with no visitors on day 2 specifically? If so, I'm getting my days confused; they did check in last on day 1, I believe!! Last but most importantly, I have decided my instrument will be the cymbals!!! Clanging hype!!!!! Yes, sorry if that wasn't clear. They checked in rather early this Day Phase (D2), and thus did so being unable to know where everyone went even after increasing the odds of at least one player choosing to visit them (this happened D1 when Uber claimed having gone to Casket Ave, the potential scenario I'm trying to describe is if that player (who lives on Casket Ave) chose to target Uber N2 while Uber was out, Uber's claim of having stayed in would get them got rather quickly if they were Headliner).
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Post by beex on Sept 23, 2023 21:18:17 GMT -8
My thing is, we can't unknow what we already know? And what happens if Goth, unbelievably, saves again tonight--tomorrow we say "this is still boring we want to play the game!!" and keep going? Kinda makes it feel like Goth doing their job is bad. I dunno, I guess I'm just in a mood(tm) rn and I promise I'll shut up about it but just. :I
I didn't disbelieve Arca's, and now Ara's, claim to begin with, so if we're going that route and she's fine with it, yeah, we may as well vote her. I'll go with majority, if that's what y'all want.
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 21:48:37 GMT -8
It's not mean when you're not killing me anyway, no worries!!!! (For the record though, personally I'm okay with claims, just that we do have to be careful to not narrow down the goth's existence, so... yeah, probably not soon!!) Now that I've looked up how to vote, my vote is on myself currently!!! Quill, do you mean to say that Uber had reported staying in with no visitors on day 2 specifically? If so, I'm getting my days confused; they did check in last on day 1, I believe!! Last but most importantly, I have decided my instrument will be the cymbals!!! Clanging hype!!!!! Yes, sorry if that wasn't clear. They checked in rather early this Day Phase (D2), and thus did so being unable to know where everyone went even after increasing the odds of at least one player choosing to visit them (this happened D1 when Uber claimed having gone to Casket Ave, the potential scenario I'm trying to describe is if that player (who lives on Casket Ave) chose to target Uber N2 while Uber was out, Uber's claim of having stayed in would get them got rather quickly if they were Headliner). Hmm okay, I see what you mean!!! Personally, I just disagree that the person would necessarily have gone after Uber? Like... if it was me, not sure if that would increase/decrease my chances of visiting them? For instance, I might easily assume that they'll likely go out dating again the next night and won't be home! This isn't necessarily to say Uber is the vampire, just wanted to clarify that I very much don't have Uber on the same level of mechanics going for them as steelx does, on the other hand!!! Though arguably, it's them claiming they stayed home first that is possibly the mechanically best is going for them... not really sure, will have to think on it more!!
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 21:57:22 GMT -8
My thing is, we can't unknow what we already know? And what happens if Goth, unbelievably, saves again tonight--tomorrow we say "this is still boring we want to play the game!!" and keep going? Kinda makes it feel like Goth doing their job is bad. I dunno, I guess I'm just in a mood(tm) rn and I promise I'll shut up about it but just. :I I didn't disbelieve Arca's, and now Ara's, claim to begin with, so if we're going that route and she's fine with it, yeah, we may as well vote her. I'll go with majority, if that's what y'all want. It's a bit weird, but arguably I think one of the most optimal things for us to do is... date successfully, basically? Which is a large part of why I'd prefer to clear myself and be done with that; we just like, need to get better at actually dating!! With no conversions so far, we can afford to shore up our info a bit now, when it can help secure a victory later!!! There's definitely a few options I can think of where we be a bit more blunt about trying to eliminate the vampire immediately, but... we do have a very real goal of trying to avoid outing the goth here too, hence why avoiding giving them more info is ideal!! That being said, I do think my slot claiming was likely a good thing in the end, to have a bit of trickle info and maybe inform our own night actions a little!!!
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Post by jijeex on Sept 23, 2023 21:57:44 GMT -8
It's not as if a similar situation hasn't happened before in regular maf games. We had ma in Howls jailing both maf from the get go since D1. That game had to go from what was meant to be a vanilla game to an rpg boss battle while maf bought time for the GM just so it didn't have to end with a deflated balloon noise as maf got to do a grand total of Nada.
Again, if this wasn't a new format we're dealing with I wouldn't be fussing an early win. The Goth is doing an amazing job - perhaps a little too amazing. Go date a little or something idk. The way dating is designed for this game makes it so that it also functions as secondary info gathering, so it's not as if someone with a power role going on a date is griefing or trolling. Our Goth deserves a nice night to themself beyond vampire hunting methinks. Y'know, as a little treat for having nailed the baddie twice in a row.
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 22:06:49 GMT -8
How about we make use of our daytime more regardless, though? Even if we want to go the safe route of inspecting me today, we can still discuss and figure out where we stand to better narrow down the headliner tomorrow!!! Ariyeli Chrysuberths I'd really like to hear more from both of you in particular!!!!! For instance, if you had to bet the game on someone being the vampire, who would it be? Who are your top town, ignoring those that are mechanically cleared? Aria in particular, just wanted to mention I do very much appreciate your word dump there!!! If anyone has questions to ask of me as well, feel free to do so!!
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 23, 2023 22:34:11 GMT -8
Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed if people wanted to talk a bit about their dating plans? Because like, dating currently seems (for the most part) really challenging to actually do successfully at all, it sounds like most people have ended up just being ships passing in the moonlight!!!!
Not saying we should start doing full coordination of everyone's dating plans, but I think we could afford to nudge things a bit towards increasing our chances of dating success a little, if that makes sense? Think it could be a bit more fun at least, end up with fewer lonely nights!!
For instance, I'm debating whether or not to say I'll be staying home tonight, though part of the uncertainty is because I'm not entirely sure what I want to do tonight yet, though!!!
Edit addition: maybe some people can say whether they'll be staying home or won't be home (without specifying if they're night actioning or whether/who they're serenading), perhaps? DSteex has already done that which is very workable, though definitely not everyone because that's getting dangerous!! Just enough info to narrow down some potential people to serenade or people to not serenade would be nice, in my opinion!!!!
I think it would help with the spirit of the game rather than not, because everyone wants a successful date so why not help it along, just a little? It'd play into the flavour a bit more even, as it would make sense for people to talk about their general intentions if they want/don't want!!
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Post by Otisander on Sept 23, 2023 22:57:49 GMT -8
I'm only willing to go with voting Ara if we genuinely don't come to any other preferable Inspection targets to go with/majority is in favor of voting Ara, and we still got plenty of Day to work with given our extension (and I'll actually be able to be present leading up to our current Rollover now, so I won't have to preemptively vote).
Opting to wait in the wings as opposed to play the game (because discussion & deduction is still gameplay just as much as role powers and mechanics) out of pity and/or curiosity until Headliner gets to succeed at a conversion still doesn't quite? Sit right with me??
I know new gamemode and all, and believe you me, I still would LOVE to see these new mechanics and roles be put to their maximum use along with being able to cherish and savor the lovely vibes of VCR and Vigil City as a whole, but arguably I get the feeling that we honestly won't see too much actual Coven mechanics/roles at play even if a conversion does happen given how dang small the Headliner pool already is (as Bee put it, "we can't unknow what we already know")? We could focus our energy on going after whoever the hypothetical Groupie is first I guess, but with how we'd likely have even less info to incriminate them than the Headliner, I feel like that'd be less of a deduction game and more of just dart-throwing, which I don't particularly Love the idea of. But then what would we do instead? Because it's either continue pursuing the Headliner, which with a pool as small as we have would get them killed Very quickly imo and thus run into the same feeling of like 'missing out' on the gamemodes mechanics because of just how important upgrading is and how that's a power afforded only to the Headliner themself, or continue Not quite pursuing, and just sort of moving at a gentle crawl towards our conclusions, making sure to not act on them 'too well' until... Some Other Time.
So like, the whole thing is a bit of a ball of uncertainty now for me.
For other things though, I would also like to hear more from Aria and Uber if possible, but I'd like to make a gentle reminder that Aria was asked to give a little more info on her N2 by Taylor (Aria already provided that her Night was 'unfortunately quiet', but I didn't see anything else about it brought up), and Trip asked if her questioning of if people could share the same street as each other was prompted by something or just spontaneous, which didn't get answered either (although I can't exactly fault her for not answering either yet, as things had been happening both for her IRL with handling the Sickness and Responsibilities as well things on thread going onto a whole new topic and potentially burying/distracting from Trip's question).
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