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Post by Otisander on Sept 22, 2023 23:18:00 GMT -8
See I teally wanted us to just vote someone because as a power role, I know I’ll be exposed by D2 if we just keep weeding out those who managed to date.Also kinda because I was power role, I didn’t mind being more aggressive because if ppl end up pointing at me instead, I can always just claim. But as Hookup (aka Medium), in a game where deaths would be coming in so slowly and where it'd be more likely for the dead to just be Slain Vampires, could you not have just? Gone out Dating on some Nights?? Not to mention that this wanting to vote ASAP in order to avoid being exposed D2 doesn't add up much when here we are on Day 2 with you willingly claiming your role while not under too much pressure? This frankly just makes me more willing to have you be Inspected Today – at least if we can't settle on a better pick – just because of how Weird this feels? Maybe I've just been picking up on the discussion wrong, or maybe I'm just not quite getting your reasoning here, but I just... don't understand the suddenness of the roleclaim, especially in a game where being voted wouldn't be lethal to a Townsperson? Especially because if you are telling the truth here & Don't get voted, but we still Inspect the wrong person, then that's two Townspeople having their roles exposed with Bee's guaranteed vulnerability to conversion just muddying the waters for both our Goth's protective powers Tonight and our discussion for Tomorrow.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 23, 2023 0:26:00 GMT -8
Yea no idk if I'm feeling this roleclaim. No offense but even if you're telling the truth, it's a move that can potentially also shoot your fellow townies in the foot by helping the Headliner narrow down who might be what role. Seriously questioning the decision here.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 5:43:57 GMT -8
Because I was too late in submitting an action N1 — I forgot the game started and then submitted a visit to Uber very late. I was told it doesn’t matter either way because Uber was out. I also kinda forgot we had an npc until so,done mentioned it.
Therefore N2 I had to contact the npc. Dude was kinda useless except he kept stressing that the vampire was quiet. Very quiet. Quiet before killing them, quiet after killing them.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 5:46:40 GMT -8
I have zero reason to lie, because if there is a real medium I will be outed instantly. It will then be a vote one of us, metalhead kill the other scenario. It will be gg.
This is similar to steex or Uber claiming “they have been in waiting for ppl”. You guys argued that because there is a huge risk they’ll be exposed if they were visited, they will not lie about that. Thus they can’t be headliner.
Why can’t you apply the same logic to me? I cannot lie about being medium, because if someone counterclaims I will be outed instantly.
if you are clearing steex and Uber, by logic you have to also clear me.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 5:48:48 GMT -8
It is the optimal move for me, because we have literally narrowed it down to me/trip/aria.
Do you guys understand what it means if I claimed and removed myself from the pool further? We literally only have 2 ppl left. we can end the game today or tonight if we have a metalhead
We can vote one off. If they are headliner, yippee. If they’re not, metal head can shoot the remaining one.
Of course you can argue that takes the fun out. I’m sorry. But you can’t say my claiming was not optimal move. It was literally the most optimal move out of the all the other stuff I could do.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 5:54:31 GMT -8
Quil laid it out a number of posts back so feel free to read back if you're lost, Uber, but right now Headliner is between Trip, Aria, and Arca--unless someone did a very Big Bold Lie, which is possible, but less likely than those three. I have some Thoughts(tm) and Feelings(tm) but I'd like to hear from our 3 Musketeers and also see what Teru was percolating, whenever it's all hot & ready. Well...I know I've been a bit quiet this game, I can't deny that. I've been very busy IRL and I think something about the Dating Math is not really clicking in my head? Plus I haven't had any successful dates, and I'm having a hard time getting a good read on anyone? Up until now, I haven't really had any solid theories, so I didn't want to waste valuable discussion time bringing them up. I feel like this is pretty much in line with my behavior in tbn, too, where I kept my thoughts and theories to myself (and Quill) until a few days in. But since I don't really have much else to contribute, I guess I can go through my thought process on a few things? If nothing else, maybe y'all can help me sort through my own brain lol Potential Scheming?Tbh my first thought when Quill Goth-Save-Claimed was "Is he telling the truth?" because if there's anyone who'd withhold a kill/conversion N1 to fake a save and make himself look innocent, it's Quil. But I quickly threw out this theory because, well...it's not really a plan that holds water? He'd have to gamble that there was no Goth in this game—or at least that Goth wouldn't call them out as soon as he fake-claimed—and that just...doesn't seem like a smart thing to bank on? Plus his behavior in general just seems very townie. So I didn't bother mentioning this theory. Tonal Weirdness There are a few tonal things that pinged me as odd, too, though not more than everyone else. Like Stella seems a little...confused? Which is fair. I'm also confused lol. And like other people mentioned, Arca came out with a lot of Force, which also seems out of character for them.
But considering how we just had a big discussion about tone and allowing people to experiment and practicing our communication skills, I wanted to err on the side of caution because I really don't wanna accidentally punish people for putting into practice the things we talked about? Plus, in Arca's case, they seemed pretty busy the past few games (iirc) and maybe this style is more normal for them?
Street Names We haven't received confirmation that street names are unique to each player (and the DM even refused to comment on whether or not this is the case), and I feel like?? That might be important??? But idk how.
Okay maybe more later I'm suddenly gonna barfBecahse the npc kept telling me the headliner was quiet, I went and first one I thought of was aria I mean look at this post potential scheming — it looks like a lot is written, but the content is just general musings. If this was mentioned right after quill posted, it was fine. But because this was posted now after literally two goth save claims, this paragraph is basically content-less Tonal weirdness - it looks like they’re expressing an opinion. Like “Arca seems out of character” or “Stella sounds confused”. But note how they never actually said whether that difference was scummy to her. She even left leeway excuse her absence of pushes by saying she’s being cautious. street names — again no actual opinion. No suggestions to do sth other than street names. Plus this sounds like she haven’t been visiting anyone (or at least didn’t visit two different ppl). Because if they did maybe they’ll get two different names? Or two same names? And wouldn’t be asking this in the first place? Idk becahse I haven’t visited anyone (I didn’t even get the flavour for n1 because I was late). But that’s just my guess.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 5:57:29 GMT -8
There is no worry about exposing myself and making goth be worried.
The game is literally ending if we clear me and just deal with the two remaining ppl
I can share the flavour for medium but it’s going to spoil the fun and I vaguely remember it was discouraged from last game. I use mirrors and I see the ghost in mirrors and dude Valentino ate a sacrificial cake in order to communicate with me.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 5:59:32 GMT -8
Okay maybe there isn’t a metal head sorry for not remembering that.
Still. Vote one of the remaining two. gg if got it. If not, vote the other out tmr. One scum left. We can just fight it out normally. At least they will forever be only one. We are still winning this way better than me/trio/aria getting into a three way dog fight and then you guys accidentally voting me instead which exposes me ON TOP of having two uncleared and everything spirals from there onwards
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Post by jijeex on Sept 23, 2023 6:12:15 GMT -8
The game is literally ending if we clear me and just deal with the two remaining ppl Ok. I think being subtle about it didn't get my point through (bit of a pattern going on here) so I'm gonna say all the quiet parts out loud. I do not, in fact, want this brand new game mode to end on D2-D3 with us having Not Experienced any of the shiny new conversion mechanics that we signed up for.We've barely seen shit all. Do you want this game to end with a sad little toot of Nothingness? I'm all for playing for wincon but this is just joyless.
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 6:18:22 GMT -8
The game is literally ending if we clear me and just deal with the two remaining ppl Ok. I think being subtle about it didn't get my point through (bit of a pattern going on here) so I'm gonna say all the quiet parts out loud. I do not, in fact, want this brand new game mode to end on D2-D3 with us having Not Experienced any of the shiny new conversion mechanics that we signed up for.We've barely seen shit all. Do you want this game to end with a sad little toot of Nothingness? I'm all for playing for wincon but this is just joyless. That was why I said you can say this is unfun, but you cannot say that my strat was not optimal if you get what I mean. I apologised for it possibly being unfun. If we want to experience more, we can choose to vote one, have metal head hold their shot if there is one. If we got it wrong, and unless goth 3/3’ed again, we will have a convert. We can then get rid of the headliner and then play normally with one mafia only. You can even choose to not get rid of headliner and try to find the converted mafia. (if goth got 3/3 this is honestly just slow torture for headliner at this point ngl) or, if ultimately we just want fun, we can even vote me off. We will then enjoy an oooh medium exposed, two uncleared, someone got converted spicy situation! really depends on how spicy we all wanna go
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Post by arcania on Sept 23, 2023 6:37:53 GMT -8
Like, I’m really sorry if you think that this is ruining the fun or sth. But everyone had already pretty much agreed that it was between me/aria /trip. For me to not ruin any fun at all I will literally have to battle it out with the two of them without claiming ever . Any time. Even up to the point I gets voted out.
Literally at any point I claim, it will be the two of them left and it can be resolved.
I’m very sorry but this is actually painful for me then, because not only do I have to try to prove my innocence among a bunch of town already suspecting me just for wanting to get straight into action yesterday. I also have to do that with the most difficult way of no claims no visit claims (because I didn’t visit in the first place!). I would also have to basically be half playing against my wincon, if I just never claim up to the point of being voted off.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 23, 2023 7:43:17 GMT -8
Nobody cornered you into claiming though. You weren't even in any real danger.
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Post by Ariyeli on Sept 23, 2023 7:55:41 GMT -8
Okay, y'all. I'm...starting to get a tad bit upset. So I'm sorry if this post comes across as overly emotional. It's just really bothering me that my "quietness" is being used against me? Like, sure. I'll acknowledge I've been quieter on-thread than normal. I've been acknowledging that I'm quieter than normal, and have been doing my best to explain why. But maybe I haven't been explicit enough? Y'all, when I say I'm busy, I mean, "I literally work three jobs and go to grad school full time." Today is my first day off in weeks, and it's only because I called out this morning after throwing up last night. And despite that, I've been trying really really hard to contribute? I could've completely ghosted the thread and 100% justified it to myself, but I was afraid I'd hamper the game if I didn't contribute at least a little bit. Moreover, this post??? Well...I know I've been a bit quiet this game, I can't deny that. I've been very busy IRL and I think something about the Dating Math is not really clicking in my head? Plus I haven't had any successful dates, and I'm having a hard time getting a good read on anyone? Up until now, I haven't really had any solid theories, so I didn't want to waste valuable discussion time bringing them up. I feel like this is pretty much in line with my behavior in tbn, too, where I kept my thoughts and theories to myself (and Quill) until a few days in. But since I don't really have much else to contribute, I guess I can go through my thought process on a few things? If nothing else, maybe y'all can help me sort through my own brain lolPotential Scheming?[...]Becahse the npc kept telling me the headliner was quiet, I went and first one I thought of was aria I mean look at this post Very feels bad. I literally state in the first few paragraphs that I don't have much to contribute? My idea behind sharing these thoughts was not to make some ground-breaking revelation, but to share that I'm Really Trying My Best. My hope was that someone might see what I was thinking and be able to auto-complete something where my brain is coming up with dead end after dead end. I can see why this would be super sus if I didn't explicitly state my intention, but I do? I mean, I'm willing to accept that by process of elimination I'm one of the Three Main Suspects (even if I don't 100% agree with some of the eliminations, but more on that later when I'm a bit less Feels Bad), but this quietness argument is actually a little upsetting when I've been trying my best. And even all that aside, "quiet" feels like such a non-hint? Like...idk about y'all, but if I was headliner trying to fakeclaim medium, "quiet" is exactly the kind of hint I'd pick. It's just subjective enough to feel real while not giving a whole lot. Like...does it refer to the quietest people on the thread? Does it refer to anyone who isn't the loudest person on the thread? Does it have to do with the thread at all, or is it purely a reference to flavor? It also has the convenient side-effect of leading us away from Arca, who was one of the loudest people D1. I'd also argue against the premise that this was Arca's optimal move? Like...sure, if you assume that everyone will trust you. Which probably won't be the case if you're one of the three main suspects? Even if you give Arca the benefit of the doubt and assume they're townie, there's now a serious chance we have to waste an invest chance on them just to confirm they're medium. A clear will last approximately .5 seconds if someone gets converted tonight and Goth decides they don't want to protect them then immediately paint a target on their back by coming forward and saying they protected Arca. Again. I'm sorry if this all sounds salty. I'm gonna try and calm down now.
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Post by terucarus on Sept 23, 2023 8:08:50 GMT -8
yall, i just woke up and im gonna be real: that wasnt fair, arca. roleclaiming literally out of the blue on day 2 feels Real Bad.
what youve essentially done was take the excitement and wind out of most of our sails.
you did have other options, btw. you just didnt want to acknowledge them or use them in a way that would keep the game going.
would it be really cool to catch our vamp on d2? hell yeah. did i actually want to do that w/o seeing all the cool other things this game format can offer us? fuck no.
when is rollover? is it today?
if its today: i vote to abstain.[\b]
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Post by eurby on Sept 23, 2023 8:44:05 GMT -8
CURRENT VOTES:to abstain: terucarus 5 votes are required for a majority.APPROXIMATELY 6 HOURS BEFORE ROLLOVER
also hey folks -- while i'm personally v gratified at the movement to hopefully see a lil more of what this mode has to offer, nevertheless, let's try to recenter the general tone of discussion! regardless of your roles as players, vampire or human, your ultimate job is to help each other have fun and enjoy this silly little game we play. let's make "is what i'm about to do going to make the game more or less fun?" the lens by which we view our potential actions, whether that's taking a calculated risk, or simply how you're talking to one another. thank u!
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