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Post by eurby on Sept 27, 2023 9:28:22 GMT -8
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Post by jijeex on Sept 27, 2023 9:41:34 GMT -8
Well now. The question becomes who is the more likely liar: the one who's confident about who's who, or the one who's avoided to point fingers at all?
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Post by terucarus on Sept 27, 2023 9:49:33 GMT -8
the more i think about it
the more confused i am
and the more i think quil might? be?? right???? maybe??????
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Post by Chrysuberths on Sept 27, 2023 9:54:47 GMT -8
Okay, if I’m gonna get revealed today anyway, I’d rather we not waste a chance at nabbing the headliner. I AM THE GOTHYes, I lied about visiting Wick Rd N1 because I didn’t want to reveal myself to the Headliner. If I’d known so many people had visited Quil, I wouldn’t have done that. I saved Quil N1, Bee N2, and then I protected Stox last night. Hopefully this explains what I meant when I said the math wasn’t mathing. Idk what’s going on, but if anyone else was being untruthful about their night actions, now is the time to speak up. Genuinely curious about the bee save n2. To me personally I wouldn't target them for the save, unless I knew that they had protected Quil n1, which means either we've had two goths (i highly doubt that, even if we rng'd into it one of our lovely dms probably would've changed one) or you're lying. I guess I'm also curious what you think bee is, maybe I'm just missing something, but I really don't think bee would be the play n2 if you were the goth. Seeing that much, and given that I'm probably gonna be a bit busy today, I'm casting my vote for Aria. I feel confident in this, and I know I also felt confident with trip, but I'm just not sure I believe the claim, especially since in my mind bee just wouldn't make sense to save.
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Post by jijeex on Sept 27, 2023 10:02:35 GMT -8
No, I think there's a piece of critical information that was shared, perhaps a bit too early in the game in the spirit of cooperation, that ended up being a deadly enough tell that made Quil absolutely certain as to who last night's convert was.
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Post by beex on Sept 27, 2023 10:17:46 GMT -8
okay so as it happened, work did Not, In Fact, simmer down alsdkj
I'm speedrunning here so pls just quote/ping me when I inevitably miss something lol
Aria Goth claim: this is a rock and hard place situation, Eure has said a few times that there's no indication of quantity of roles, so More Than One Goth is entirely possible, and if Aria Isn't the Headliner, taking out what has been a very reliable anti-vamp system would be suboptimal. however, ofc, the numbers still are what they are.
Conversion: listen, I get that it was a free conversion on Me, but wouldn't it be a little shortsighted to go for the baby vamp that everyone would immediately suspect of being the baby vamp and therefore put them at a higher risk of death than literally any other random person? setting aside the fact that definitely one and possibly two other power roles were revealed at the same time, that certainly isn't the play I would have gone for myself
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Post by eurby on Sept 27, 2023 10:29:31 GMT -8
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Post by eurby on Sept 27, 2023 10:33:54 GMT -8
which means either we've had two goths (i highly doubt that, even if we rng'd into it one of our lovely dms probably would've changed one) or you're lying. gonna poke my head in here just to say that's Not how that works will not speak for other GMs, but when i run a game, i choose What roles i want in play beforehand (and that may include multiples of a role, or none of another, etc!), and then RNG both the list of players that have signed up and the roles that i've chosen in order to assign players to roles! if i only wanted one goth in the lineup, or if i wanted three, i wouldn't wait for RNG to tell me it wants a diff number and then change it, u feel me
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Post by terucarus on Sept 27, 2023 10:34:57 GMT -8
honestly, it could have been anyone who was converted. i'm not convinced it was bee, personally, but i am leaning towards Aria being our HL
i'm really frustrated (not literally, mind you!) and i'm struggling with words.
i'm holding off on voting rn, but closer to 8, i'll likely drop it on Aria.
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Post by Otisander on Sept 27, 2023 10:53:38 GMT -8
okay so as it happened, work did Not, In Fact, simmer down alsdkj I'm speedrunning here so pls just quote/ping me when I inevitably miss something lol Aria Goth claim: this is a rock and hard place situation, Eure has said a few times that there's no indication of quantity of roles, so More Than One Goth is entirely possible, and if Aria Isn't the Headliner, taking out what has been a very reliable anti-vamp system would be suboptimal. however, ofc, the numbers still are what they are. Conversion: listen, I get that it was a free conversion on Me, but wouldn't it be a little shortsighted to go for the baby vamp that everyone would immediately suspect of being the baby vamp and therefore put them at a higher risk of death than literally any other random person? setting aside the fact that definitely one and possibly two other power roles were revealed at the same time, that certainly isn't the play I would have gone for myself Not necessarily. I mean, y'all still technically have leeway to accuse myself, Taylor, Teru, Trip, Ara or Steex of being the one who got converted Last Night. I just happen to be very certain that it was you for my own reasons. e: Plus, the Night Nurse!Trip and Hookup!Ara may have been thought likely to be protected themselves Last Night, thus discouraging a convert on either of them. e2: Also, neither of the roles are particularly threatening to the Coven at this stage, unlike the Goth.
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 27, 2023 13:26:07 GMT -8
Okay, if I’m gonna get revealed today anyway, I’d rather we not waste a chance at nabbing the headliner. I AM THE GOTHYes, I lied about visiting Wick Rd N1 because I didn’t want to reveal myself to the Headliner. If I’d known so many people had visited Quil, I wouldn’t have done that. I saved Quil N1, Bee N2, and then I protected Stox last night. Hopefully this explains what I meant when I said the math wasn’t mathing. Idk what’s going on, but if anyone else was being untruthful about their night actions, now is the time to speak up. No you're not, Bee was. Bee's report from N1 does not add up under the lens of being a failed date: they were either the Headliner or the Goth trying to use the flavor they got from my stopped conversion to pretend, and unless they faked their N2 save claim (which you did not counterclaim then and are now explicitly vouching for, so that's out of the window), then they're the Goth and they self-saved N2. Either way, it really doesn't matter too much who was the real Goth between the two of you because I know that you're both Coven now, and that's what counts. (Also Steex, with two Vampires now, there's no telling on if Bee went to protect you Last Night and Aria is just going to be able to cross-reference your street name in private before announcing it.) I very confidently, 100% with no doubts in my mind believe that Quil is correct here!!!! The goth claim just does not feel real to me at all with the context of Aria's previous posting/play, and factoring how once the real goth has been converted... well, it's just easy coasting to the win!! There really isn't much more I can add here, Quil has already summarized it extremely well!!! I would vote Aria again if I hadn't already!!
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 27, 2023 13:40:22 GMT -8
Pre-emptive about Bee: assume we see Aria flips headliner, what does that tell us? Aria confidently claimed goth and no one counterclaimed, which means the goth is no longer of the town alignment!! Given Quil's reasoning on who the goth could be, from that night 1 rager? It means that the real goth (Bee) must have been converted, or otherwise Aria could not have claimed goth without the real goth standing up!!! It does also make sense that it'd be bee, given how the headliner failed to convert twice in a row; at that point, it makes a lot of sense to go for the confirmed convert and throw some confusion into the mix, rather than possibly have the goth get away with it again!! terucarus Anyways pinging you as you'd expressed frustration earlier in hopes that maybe this can help clear up some of it? If not, we can absolutely discuss it more!!! Though to be fair this is written with the assumption that Aria flips headliner here, so feel free to put a pin on it and come back to it tomorrow!!
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 27, 2023 13:49:29 GMT -8
converted bee works as an explanation for the playstyle turnaround imo. bee came out the gate this game confident & aggressive (attribute to successful save n1+later n2), but suddenly.
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Post by 3ptali on Sept 27, 2023 15:02:42 GMT -8
anyway i'm gonna nap so lemme throw my vote for aria in the thread
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Post by Aremypocalypse on Sept 27, 2023 15:09:41 GMT -8
To be fair Bee did mention getting busier (like a bee) so making some allowances for that is reasonable!!! However even keeping that in mind, the fact remains that just in Bee's most recent post in the thread, it feels like even after learning the info from today they seem like they're carefully trying to avoid stating any even vaguely definitive opinion on Aria, or even what we should do today at all... just trying to keep options open, which is what makes sense from a vampire in their position!! Whereas every single other player in the game (besides bee/Aria) has expressed genuine leanings (or doubt) on what they want to do today; even if not necessarily that confident, all other players are at least actively trying to figure stuff out!!!
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