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Post by jijeex on Mar 12, 2019 15:32:31 GMT -8
I was tryna hold off revealing for as long as possible and was literally the last person to, especially after trying to do the same thing in a past game. I think I'm going to agree with the no max number of roles listed from this point on, just as a prevention method, and Big Agree with Eure's Will This Make The Game Fun/Memorable rule. I think that's part of why it's so hard for maf to win in our games tbh, the moment town decides to actually be honest instead of relying on intrigue, they're done with. But honesty isn't really the spirit of the game, is it.
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Post by dreymiadne on Mar 12, 2019 17:42:16 GMT -8
I definitely agree with Eure’s idea re: not stating numbers in role descriptions, and I think we should avoid mass-claims in the future (both for the sake of intrigue and giving the mafia a fair chance). However, I’d prefer there not be a “no claiming whatsoever” rule.
*excitedly scurries to the role masterlist to see the new roles Eure has added*
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Post by jijeex on Mar 12, 2019 17:51:36 GMT -8
I'm struggling to explain this a bit but I think it's part of our internal culture to be willing to drop personal agendas and work as a united front. Reaching a consensus in our games is far, FAR easier than it is in ToS games and such. Case in point, even after the rather lengthy debate at the end of the game (granted mostly from me), we managed to all vote the same anyway. That's probably why Mom made the rule that coercing people into voting a certain way will automatically fail the final event. We're far more cooperative than regular mafia players and it's because we play over and over again with the same set of people. I doubt Perce's 8) would consistently fly anywhere else, and my constant chaos will get me lynched D1/2. But we're familiar enough with each other to know when to and not to tentatively trust someone - speaking of tentative trusts, this is something I see only here but never in another maf community.
I don't think this closed pool of players is a bad thing. If anything I enjoy it bc it lets me exercise my lying liar muscles to see how different I can make myself play from game to game. If we can't stop ourselves from sharing information, what we can do is limit what information is available to town from the get-go and maybe give it to maf instead. Maf is supposed to be the informed few anyway, and with the added difficulty of playing against people who know and trust each other it shouldn't be a stretch for them to be given bigger, clearer advantages.
So re: number of roles not being revealed, I'm debating on whether this information should only be hidden from town but revealed to maf. It sounds unfair on paper even to me, but if tested might actually work out. Thoughts?
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Post by dreymiadne on Mar 12, 2019 18:09:08 GMT -8
I don’t think your suggestion sounds completely unfair after all the valid points you’ve just made; it sounds to me like something that would definitely be worth testing out? Mafia is supposed to be the informed minority after all.
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Post by terucarus on Mar 12, 2019 18:11:09 GMT -8
If we can't stop ourselves from sharing information, what we can do is limit what information is available to town from the get-go and maybe give it to maf instead. Maf is supposed to be the informed few anyway, and with the added difficulty of playing against people who know and trust each other it shouldn't be a stretch for them to be given bigger, clearer advantages. So re: number of roles not being revealed, I'm debating on whether this information should only be hidden from town but revealed to maf. It sounds unfair on paper even to me, but if tested might actually work out. Thoughts? Would it maybe be fair if we gave the maf those numbers instead? or...would that make them more powerful/dangerous than they may already be?
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Post by Chrysuberths on Mar 12, 2019 18:11:17 GMT -8
I'd be willing to co-gm or perhaps even gm a game with what you suggested Steex. It could go wonderfully or horribly and I'd kinda really like to see it???
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Post by dreymiadne on Mar 12, 2019 18:13:15 GMT -8
If we can't stop ourselves from sharing information, what we can do is limit what information is available to town from the get-go and maybe give it to maf instead. Maf is supposed to be the informed few anyway, and with the added difficulty of playing against people who know and trust each other it shouldn't be a stretch for them to be given bigger, clearer advantages. So re: number of roles not being revealed, I'm debating on whether this information should only be hidden from town but revealed to maf. It sounds unfair on paper even to me, but if tested might actually work out. Thoughts? Would it maybe be fair if we gave the maf those numbers instead? or...would that make them more powerful/dangerous than they may already be? I’m confused, isn’t that what Steex suggested, or did I misunderstand them and they had suggested something different?
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Post by eurby on Mar 12, 2019 18:17:39 GMT -8
If we can't stop ourselves from sharing information, what we can do is limit what information is available to town from the get-go and maybe give it to maf instead. Maf is supposed to be the informed few anyway, and with the added difficulty of playing against people who know and trust each other it shouldn't be a stretch for them to be given bigger, clearer advantages. So re: number of roles not being revealed, I'm debating on whether this information should only be hidden from town but revealed to maf. It sounds unfair on paper even to me, but if tested might actually work out. Thoughts? Would it maybe be fair if we gave the maf those numbers instead? or...would that make them more powerful/dangerous than they may already be? i mean, you say that, but look at the mafia's win record. they've literally never won a game where the town wasn't operating under false presumptions. so, the way it is now, the role description might say "there may be only one doctor per game." i'm suggesting we nix that, so if somebody wants to be sneaky, town can't just be like Well There's Only One Doctor, So. jijeex, is what you're saying that we shouldn't have a limit listed on the description, but then Also tell the mafia There Is A Doctor, There Is An Investigator, There Is No Jailer, etc? or just like? telling them there can only be however many, even if there aren't any?
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Post by jijeex on Mar 12, 2019 18:38:16 GMT -8
I was thinking exact numbers. X vanilla, Y jailer, Z escort, etc. So it's like an actual hit list compiled by a competent member of an organization and not a city census that got nicked off a registration office, you know what I'm saying?
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Post by dreymiadne on Mar 12, 2019 18:43:22 GMT -8
That would be a big new advantage for maf, but the alignment win-lose stats aren’t great for them. I definitely don’t feel that a hit list would make things unfair for town, and maf needs more advantages imo.
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Post by terucarus on Mar 12, 2019 18:45:47 GMT -8
true. i think i like that plan/idea.
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Post by 3ptali on Mar 12, 2019 20:49:15 GMT -8
idk about giving mafia an exact hit list from the start - that feels like it'd be too close to a game of numbers, and since we're kind of a closed thing rn it'd be too easy to guess who's who based on posts. maybe if maf got a free hint per night from gm, n1-there is a doctor in the game, n2-there is a jailor in the game, etc, but not all roles right out the gate.
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Post by jijeex on Mar 12, 2019 20:52:24 GMT -8
idk about giving mafia an exact hit list from the start - that feels like it'd be too close to a game of numbers, and since we're kind of a closed thing rn it'd be too easy to guess who's who based on posts. maybe if maf got a free hint per night from gm, n1-there is a doctor in the game, n2-there is a jailor in the game, etc, but not all roles right out the gate. Or there's a specific maf role that can do this, like a consigliere. It's one of those roles I've always wanted to see incorporated into our games tbh. Although when it comes to jailor/escort it's basically free info since we always report blocks first thing lmao.
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Post by 3ptali on Mar 12, 2019 21:39:14 GMT -8
idk about giving mafia an exact hit list from the start - that feels like it'd be too close to a game of numbers, and since we're kind of a closed thing rn it'd be too easy to guess who's who based on posts. maybe if maf got a free hint per night from gm, n1-there is a doctor in the game, n2-there is a jailor in the game, etc, but not all roles right out the gate. Or there's a specific maf role that can do this, like a consigliere. It's one of those roles I've always wanted to see incorporated into our games tbh. Although when it comes to jailor/escort it's basically free info since we always report blocks first thing lmao. consig n1: there's a jailor! random townie:i was jailed consig: yeah well consig n2: found the mayor :D mayor, the next day: hello i'm revealing consig: u know what
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Post by roezzy on Mar 12, 2019 23:20:30 GMT -8
Yeah, I big time agree with what we've proposed thus far. And I also want to say, re: mom's feedback, I was a huge, unsportsmanlike asshole. I won't bring in my awkward hormone and medicinal goings-on to seek forgiveness. I reached out a few times during this game and mentioned how I was unwell and, while I typically love trying to ruse my way into winning, I was just Constantly Upset and Not Okay and made a perfect example of what it's like when a town demands we all reveal to shut the game down.
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